We have finished discussing Lola and I, as she has proposed. As I liked it, I'll put the conversation pretty and hang for the use and enjoyment (questionable enjoyment, but all there in the vineyard of the Lord) who pass through here. The origin of this post is that other .
Lola - Well ... I read a book by a woman who had a son who killed who knows how many of his school (it was a novel but good) ... and tells you how was the child since birth and the child reminded me of this ... and the book is told by the mother and the mother did not know what to do, because nobody thought is that the child was really bad ... and really came to hate his own son ... I believe that if children are ill, psychopaths are psychopaths from birth and is a disease, and are bad and as much as parents do not be helped ...
Ramón- Hello Lola (how well I comment, I remembered that I do not have a blog, but I do regular reader). Consider that a child is "bad" in itself implies: - believing that good and evil are social artifacts (inventions), but they exist and are more than mere points of view. Good and evil, as I understand, are categories, ie, "tags" and meanings we put on some realities. - Forget that a gentleman of the most brilliant that one has read named Foucault wrote that insanity is nothing more than a social convention. That is, the company decided (decide having power to do so in every society, of course, not by referendum) which is "sane" and what is "crazy" and treated as illnesses are "crazy." - Thinking that people are something, something more than an accumulation of life experiences. That in addition to what is on the way, we "in" an essence, a "something" that makes us one way or another. I do not think any of those things not the opposite, I just dispute them and I have no fucking clue. Yes I tend to think that we are more a product that essentially clear. But the roll of the essence as we embedded in the discourse and imaginary everyone and is complicated abstract to him always and under all circumstances (a phrase is quite recurrent in me "that is a son of a bitch", for example, as to be consistent I must say "being a son of a bitch". In However, if you think about it, that we are "good" or "bad" and we carry the seed of good and evil within, and that concepts of good and evil are older people, inevitably there is someone or something has created good and evil and has inoculated seed. That is a lot like a God and I'm fucking atheist. social religious and atheistic atheist (this is bullshit, but I think it is). This is rather anarchist and Society. A kiss Lola, and forgive the plate, but it's one of my favorites.
L - But even so ... or ... I do not think any of the stuff you post ... maybe not a bad thing in itself, but there are people who does not differentiate good from bad ... or, if different, not the least bit concerned ... knows not to take the place of another, it does not hurt to hurt others ... and so is "bad" ... I think that does happen, regardless of how their parents ... I do not think we're just a product, and it was found that Skinner was wrong with his theory of behaviorism ... not everything depends on our education, as well, if you look, it is clear that this is not comparing siblings, it is assumed that the brothers, with their parents, receive the same education, but then they are different from each other, do not act the same or have the same ideas ... I'm not saying that education does not influence but do not think it at all decisive ... certainly see if I write again ... or maybe I do another blog and leave that to the memory ...
R- Mmmm ... Let's see, several things (a bit messy): - The brothers live in the same family and with the same parents, but never as being educated. Parents and siblings own establish different relationships between some family members and others. Parents do not treat all children equally, that is asynchronous. - A behaviorism me makes me very creepy, very much, but no one has "proved" that does not work. On the contrary, there are cases where it works perfectly (I guess you've seen Orange mecánca). Another thing is that the type of social dynamics which introduces behaviorism stink (mainly because, for behaviorism, psychologist and patient God is a piece of crap or at best, an experiment). - not unlike the good from the bad, because good and evil does not exist "a priori". That is, what is good and what is bad for you is part of cultural heritage (so to speak) and make their own decisions. They say all the bad of American movies: "Evil is a point of view." And they are right. - When I say that we are a "product", we're not only educating our parents. The process is very complex, incomprehensible, and there are things about him as a symbolic-cultural framework, the different "indoctrination" and influences that you receive throughout your life, your loves, hates, jealousies, friendships ... I do not know, a lot of things. But we, your parents have a responsibility in what you are, but not all, because most of what you "teach" is "being in society" and that to them also is "imposed" by the "cultural context." All this is complicated and I'm trying to explain what many authors write very good in very few lines and so that they understand. If you are interested in reading this you can go mad: on the "madness" Foucault and Melucci, on that of education, a social psychologist named Brunner, on ways of being in the world and the intergenerational transmission loads of sociologists, but you can read what it says Bourdieu's "habitus" and "conditioning" (Bourdieu is the host), and Goffman ... I'll leave as a recommendation, but as we discussed, Siqueiros;) And yes, it returns to blog.
L- I made another blog ... 've said too much ... if I'm honest, sociology bores me ... or ... read what they said all you have named ... I read in part a little what they said because I have to study in sociology ... but .. to see ... is a thing called genetic predisposition ... better be good and bad are what society says is good and bad, but (I can not understand as well as you) when you do something wrong, at least in the eyes of others, you realize the reaction of others, and stop it not cause harm to others, or being respected, or whatever, but it is a social thing ... but if your mind is not able to understand others or are unable to get in the place of another or feel absolutely no remorse for your actions, or anything ... and I think that happens ... because no matter how well educated you are or however much society do with you or whatever, does not change ... I'm not worth the example of A Clockwork Orange, because it is a movie, put me a real ... I noticed a big difference between your way of arguing and mine ... you go for parts and I mix it all ... yours is very clear and I say no ...
R- sociology can not be bored. We carry five or six comments by sociology (cheap). What is boring is to pick up books by authors without tools to understand and have to mess with them to throw crap on a test. When they give you the tools to understand what you read, you realize you are much smarter people than you who have wondered the same things that you ... and help you think better. Sometimes hitting you with them and sometimes nodding to give the table headers. Go to the literature, with music, art ... Need to know the language they manage to understand, and that's complicated. I do not like opera and flips me the sculpture. Why? I recognize in the symbols and iconography of the sculpture, messages, while I do not understand opera. The genetic predisposition .. What things? Could you explain? Nobody has been able to do so convincingly. Genetic predisposition is another "category", another label. What happens is that puts science and believe us (well, I do not). The other day I saw Tired Faemino and say they are atheists, but between God and a huge explosion of matter, preferring to believe God. Addition Descojonado by how large are seemed sense. Indeed, it is not truth to mix everything. Just do not put hyphens. The scripts provide guidance to those who are not able to write fluently. Structure things is not knowing them spontaneously, organized mostly because I am a disaster, not because it is organized. C'mon, that yours is so well ordered as mine and crutches, which indicates that you are much more capable than me (at least in regard to writing). couplet I do not like that, but the blog looks good ...
L- The couplet to I do not like itself, was a fact ... I am reminded of a story about Leonardo diCaprio coming in a few weeks ago magazine in the world ... spoke about his childhood and upbringing, his parents were hippies and his father was a friend of the beat generation (Burroughs and others ...) and lived in a slum in Los Angeles, drug addicts, gang members and others, where hardly You can get away with, yet there it is, actor, and has never tried drugs ... I think that has to do with how you are ... yes you can influence the environment and your parents, but does not mean you're going to be one way or another ... each person has a character, and intelligence, and innate qualities, I am sure they are innate ... There is a theory for entrepreneurs, and in fact only has been created to make money by giving courses on it, but it has its logic, which says that all people have a predominant part of the brain to the rest of the time to act, or that some people use more the neocortex, who use more than the limbic system and who use more brain stem, and that makes us to act differently depending on the case ... For example, in a fire, would be three possibilities as part of the brain predominates: to run from anywhere, stop and think where are the exits, or stay to help those who are inside ... watching people has convinced me enough that theory, albeit a simplification of the behavior ... and if so, it is clear that there is something innate ...
Ro- The couplet to I do not like itself, was a fact ... I am reminded of a story about Leonardo diCaprio coming few weeks ago in the magazine in the world ... spoke about his childhood and upbringing, his parents were hippies and his father was a friend of the beat generation (Burroughs and others ...) and lived in a slum in Los Angeles, drug addicts, gang members and others, where hardly You can get away with, yet there it is, actor, and has never tried drugs ... I think that has to do with how you are ... that yes you can influence the environment and your parents, but does not mean you're going to be one way or another ... each person has a character, and intelligence, and innate qualities, I am sure they are innate ... There is a theory for entrepreneurs, and in fact only been created to make money by giving courses on it, but it has its logic, which says that all people have a predominant part of the brain to the other when act, or that some people use more the neocortex, which uses more than the limbic system and who use more brain stem, and that makes us to act differently depending on the case ... For example, in a fire, would be three possibilities as part of the brain predominates: to run from anywhere, stop and think where are the exits, or stay to help those who are inside ... watching people has convinced me enough that theory, albeit a simplification of the behavior ... and if so, it is clear that there is something innate ...
R- Lola, I have no idea of \u200b\u200bparts of the brain. Zero ranker. But I would question if I use more nemocortex another part of the brain because I'm genetically predisposed because my social habits lead me to do it ... or any intermediate point in the continuous biologist, Constructivism. The best teacher of my school, gave us the following story by Borges is located in an imaginary empire: "... the Art of Cartography attained such Perfection that the Map of a single Province occupied an entire city, and the map Empire, an entire province. Over time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire that was the size of the Empire and coincided exactly with it. Less Addicted to the Study of Cartography, the next generations understood that this dilated Map was Useless and not without Impiety they abandoned it to the Inclement del Sol and the Winters. In the Deserts of the West, still torn Ruins of that Map, inhabited by Animals and Beggars; in the entire country there is another relic of the Disciplines of Geography. " Tomorrow explain why the story is important and comes to mind. Now I'm going to see Raul and the ten apostles in white.
R- I go with the story: what Borges is saying is that the mapping, the maps may not accurately represent reality, because to do so should represent a whole, then, to take sense, what we do is interpret it. Any interpretation serves interests (not always paranoid interests of capital or something, but simply the interest of the person doing it.) Science, such as mapping, is incapable of understanding reality, what it does is interpreted. To understand if a person "works" in one way or another and demonstrate an understanding of how valid, we should analyze, at least two ways: knowing how to construct their reality, that is, how it is perceived and affects, and how is your environment and operates on it. We should understand the person and the global world in order to provide reliable explanations. Since we can not, what we do is to adopt an approach (which seems "good") and from a particular perspective, try to explain or explain the phenomena (ie science as a systematic way, but we all do constantly all the time). Nietzsche said that language helps us to understand reality in a superficial way, to put all tags that allow us to operate them (words). But those labels we create, then prevent us from understanding reality, since we ordered our way of seeing the world according to the labels and not what "real." As there is no other way of seeing the world through labels (to my knowledge), the world is incomprehensible and the reality does not exist, "is" anything (and if any, might as well, because we could not understand). From here, nothing is "but the social construction of reality (which is the title of a book by Berger and Luckmann as I changed my way of seeing things.) Since we can not know whether the behaviors respond to immutable biological predispositions or social conditioning, I prefer to believe the latter (adopted this approach) and everyone is hopeless. As Maya the bee, we ...
L- But thus seen everything ... although we can not know if there are indeed genetic predispositions ... based on my own experience, I still think so ... is only just analyzing myself and thinking about why I act in certain ways, and because I am so and not otherwise think it's because I'm that provided the experience I have learned things, but my personality is still the same ... because so many things that I have passed has not changed much my way ... do not know, I think that we are not a blank book that is written, there is something innate ... must have, if not many things could not be explained ... But we could to end the discussion ... I get the impression that we would end up going in a loop ... however, it has been interesting.
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